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Bill Nye Says Creationism is Not Appropriate to Teach Children, What Do You Think?

The Studio City Science Guy has created a stir among some.

Studio City's longtime resident has ruffled a few groups by saying that children should be protected from creationist points of view, especially in schools.

He insists he's not attacking religion, and he is not pointing out problems with any particular religious group, but when education and science teachings gets interfered with by religious beliefs, then it's a problem.

He made a plea to adults who don't believe in evolution to "Please, don’t make your kids think that, too." He created an educational video for ThinkBig.org.

(Watch the video here: “Bill Nye to creationist parents: Don’t force your crazy beliefs on kids.”)

He had to explain a bit more on a CBS interview the next day, saying:

"You can believe what you want religiously. Religion is one thing, but science, provable science is something else. My concern is you don’t want people growing up not believing in radioactivity, not believing in geology and deep time. You don’t want people in the United States growing up without the expectation that we can land spacecraft on Mars. You want people to believe in science, this process, this great idea that humans had to discover more about the universe and our place in it, our place in space."

Nye explained that the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally.

What do you think?

Martin Murrell August 30, 2012 at 02:01 AM
Teach Creationalism, and/or any other religious views in classes on religion. Teach Science in a science class. Like it or not, Evolution is a dominant Scientific theory, and creationalism is a Religious viewpoint. I believe Scientists would have no problem discussing creationalism briefly in a science class, but would have to caveat it by saying that it was not a prevailing scientific theory, as there is only very limited scientific evidence for it. Evolution, on the other hand is the prevailing theory, with substantial scientific evidence, and significant rigorous theoretical backing. They would also admit we do not know everything about evolution, or have all the answers. But the scientific method does not automatically invoke God to explain things of which we do not have a current understanding.
Marie Brown August 30, 2012 at 03:07 AM
I totally agree with Bill Nye; the teaching of this "creationism" has no place in schools. "Creationism" is an ignorant hoax cooked up by right-wing extremist Christian fundamentalists. If parents out there actually want to teach their kids about this ignorant nonsense, then they should do so on their own time - not within a classroom setting.
J.L. Capps August 30, 2012 at 04:21 PM
The truth is and will remain to be thru mine, and anyone reading this text's life, that WE, collectively, not some of and not others, have NO clue where our existence comes from or why. Please refer to Manly P. Hall, until we shut up, about what's wrong or what might be right, and actually focus on what is, we are doomed to repeat silly arguments about things we know nothing of. Love is what we know to be righteous, every action to be looked upon favorably, with it's first glimpse of becoming reality from nothing, is formed in either one place or another... A GOOD place or a BAD place, EVERYTHING, the Bible is the story of good versus evil, ask yourself really....what's wrong with teaching the CONTENT of this subject matter? We will always exist in a perfect form of pure energy, but until we have LIVED on this earth in pyhsical form, we have never known the DEVIL. Light doesn't look at dark as the end all of its existence, rather it looks at it as the reason for it's own existence.
J.L. Capps August 30, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Also for all you REALLY SMART guys n gals out there, you know who you are.... Where did all of the physical mass that caused the big bang come from???? Or is that where you draw the line? No answer? That means you know less than a "bible thumper" which I do not claim to be, but at least they are basing their views on something tangible, and not completey fabricated like the theory for life on earth is some weird explosion that happened far far away and long long ago, and I yeah came from absolute nothing lmao college degrees should be used to collect bird droppings, I swear haha
Marie Brown August 30, 2012 at 06:17 PM
"Creationism" is definitely a myth; it was cooked up by right-wing, extremist Christian fundamentalists. If you want this "creationism" stuff taught in schools, then it should be placed in the same category as Greco-Roman mythology, for example. If, on the other hand, you want children to learn about science and facts, then evolution MUST be taught.
Phil Ramsay August 30, 2012 at 07:44 PM
I'm sure this has been answered more than adequately in many fine books, or by many people smarter than you above, but you need go no further than wikipedia to get more than enough explanation, should you care to understand it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang Energy and Matter are interchangable - well documented (you know, E=MC2 , atomic bombs, all that). People win Nobel Prizes for figuring this stuff out. Give them some credit and stop denying the natural world around you, You do realize Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution (another fine bit of REAL SCIENCE), right?
Cricket Yee August 30, 2012 at 08:25 PM
Go, Bill Nye!! We need someone to stand up against this anti-science movement that has somehow been politicized by the religious right. There is no scientist that can prove there is no God, and there is no scientist that will tell you you can't believe in God and science at the same time. Public schools are there to teach the theories of science, churches are there to teach the theories of religion-- it's in the constitution, people, "separation of church and state." Thank God for our forward-thinking forefathers!
Wayne Harropson August 30, 2012 at 08:48 PM
What makes you think evolutionism isn't a religion?
J.L. Capps August 30, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Mr Phil, And where did the energy come from to produce the mass? Chicken and the egg thing there bud. NO ONE KNOWS, get your head out out of the rear portal of your inner verse! You see the energy you speak of does manifest itself in a pyhsical form, using the magical spell of e=MC2 Answer 2 quick questions... 1. Where did The ingredients come from? 2. Who mixed em? LOL The problem I have is with people who claim others are idiots because they believe a certain way or in certain things only to rubuke with another completely unprovable THEORY. And the argument that one of the truly many theory's there are should be taught exclusively over another is where idiocracy clearly lies.
J.L. Capps August 30, 2012 at 10:57 PM
Btw the separation of church and state WAS established as a way to suppress religious powers which at the time were enslaving just as many souls as monarchy. The American philosophy which our fore fathers laid out was one built and derived to celebrate INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, yet today we as people are moving in the direction of monarchy, where a small group or individuals know better than the majority do on how to live life, thats no better than the 18th century religous institutions. Science is the study of many things, all embodied inside our universe, I view the universe as GOD, MY creator, MY giver of life, & yours. That's my opinion, & I'm not shoving it down your throat, nor should I, but nor will I hide it. Nor should it be ever be hidden, that is not at all American. But then again maybe your 100% right, and I'm to open minded.
J.L. Capps August 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM
Also Cricket yee, you do realize the education system has only been federlized since the late 70's right, and that at the time of the writing of the constitution never would our fore fathers of believed what the future sowers of laws would do to enslave free thought. Education should be implemented at the state level as originally intended. Also you do realize too, that the abundance of the information we have about the natural universe, came out of a period of time that the federal govt had nothing to do with education. And that religious views and lessons went hand in hand up until 2-3 generations ago. You do realize, don't you? Most of the SCIENCE you speak of came from highly religious men, Albert Einstein was quoted as saying "I am merely a man, a man whose goal is to observe my creator at work at his desk.
Phil Ramsay August 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM
1. Just energy - and very dense, point source. Who knows - that's NOT the point. 2. No mixing but - nobody can say for certain why or how. Maybe part of a multiverse (look it up, you waste our time) same as above - that's not the point. If you want to think god did it that's totally fine with me, at least your not denying the core Reality just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just because you don't believe or understand it, doesn't mean it's not so. At least science admits its limits and redoubles to find better and more complete answers.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 12:59 AM
Core "REALITY" again comes from the same place as energy, from the 1 source, the only real truth, the only answer, GOD. Call it what you want to call it, reality, the universe, whatever.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 01:08 AM
And btw, no one is saying don't teach science, quite the contrary, it's the religion that is being suppressed, not for any other reason than you do not understand it, and want to ban the idea of teaching it, & that's more than likely the deep down fear you have of it being true, which make you uncomfortable. Because again as I originally said in my first post, I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT OR WHY THE UNIVERSE IS, I'm just not afraid of hearing theories from every angle, unlike Bill Nye and his "super smart" supporters here on this site.
Mary Worthington August 31, 2012 at 03:32 AM
What passes for Christianity in the U.S. is intellectually bankrupt. "Evangelicals" insist that life is too complex to have happened over billions of years by a slow and demonstrable process and see that as proof that a God - a being infinitely more complex than anything alive on earth - must have created life. Seems more like they do not believe in evolution because their own intelligence has not evolved past that of single-celled organisms.
sam R. August 31, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Just a thought but, where did energy to make the mass come from also, where did the creator who created come from? If we can't believe one "just is" why not the other? Not to point at either direction just to say everything spiritual or natural had to come from something. Nothing just is. A hole in both theories.
sam R. August 31, 2012 at 05:18 AM
Adaptation and mutation are precursors to evolution a smokers lungs evolve when the cells become eratic and turn to cancer this is a mutation of cells creating growth of human tissue where it once did not exist. If stardust built up on itself until it created a planet and then life "evolved" from there, then where did the stardust come from? Energy maybe. Where did that come from. I do believe in some sort of higher power but, I think even that had to come from somewhere. I don't think we should teach children that we know for certain. Teach all theories. Then in English class teach the difference between theory, fact, opinion and, belief. What about getting more teachers who care about teaching facts and, truth. What about parents teaching there own kids , there own values and, ideas. Quit blaming be proactive.
sam R. August 31, 2012 at 05:35 AM
I agree with j.l. capps all of you super smart degree dummies who spent all that money on those fancy pieces of paper that say you know something congrats on all that lame-O's. How's about you take them papers turn them sombitch's sideways and well I'm sure you know the rest. Enjoy your debts. LOL
sam R. August 31, 2012 at 05:49 AM
My point I guess, would be some A-hole somewhere is gonna try to teach your kid some bullstuffs so It's your job as a parent to beat them to the punch
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 06:07 AM
Sam r! You are exactly correct in your in your thoughts! Life and and anything accociatated to it, are at the end, the same! But basing facts upon proof, and reality as we know it, Science is no more or less fact than religion... unless we TEACH the differences between the 2, they are identical, as they are both a philosophy and no more.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 06:16 AM
Also dig the approach, these smarter and better than thou types can seriously hop off a cliff, (proverbially of course), if they would rather not listen.... Use your degree papers as a kite Fools!
Phil Ramsay August 31, 2012 at 01:49 PM
It would be great to teach the difference between science, philosophy, belief - they're not the same. Teach your 'what if' ideas at home or what passes as church. but think about finding a church that embraces reason, and using some of your own. I've been a member of many denominations and not one would have the balls to teach creationist dogma. You don't have to have a degree to be educated, but it helps if you try a bit. Read a book that's not 1000 years old once and awhile. If you believe in god, fine, but really - Bill Nye is right - you do yourselfs, your kids, and society a disservice by denying the nature of the physical world.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 02:27 PM
Phil you tell me where your "not what if" ideas are better than mine?? How about you stay home, & never come out. Your tiny mind is SOOO powerful that you know everything you have ever been told by a "teacher" to be overwhelmingly FACT! Awesome! But let's take it back, let's go back 115 years... Let me explain this idea I have. I want to splice you into millions of tiny little pieces, so small you cannot see them, then I'm going to take them and set them to the wind, and send them millions of places at the exact same time ( precisely ) and have the pieces reorganize themselves ( exactly ) on a box that people all over the U.S. will keep in there homes. Phil what do you think a teacher in 1900 would of told you about this idea, back then. You are the lame, arrogant donkey hole, which again thru out periods of human history have taken the position, that we as a species are sooooo stupid we need not contemplate thoughts, just that we should listen and believe what we hear because that's the lazy and easy approach for a very narrow minded scared little man. Especially one who would obviously not mind being oppressed.
Martin Murrell August 31, 2012 at 03:29 PM
Just a thought or two. 1) Just because we do not know the answer to something, does not meen that Logically you need to have God as the answer 2) Actually there is a lot of rigourous, scientific thinking to try and answer your question "Where did the Mass come from"....Go read "A Universe from nothing"...it is an easy read, and clearly lays out a series of hypotheses that is one potential answer to your questions...
Phil Ramsay August 31, 2012 at 04:08 PM
J.L. Capps, You sir, are a complete waste of time. You are essentially unreasonable and rude After you win a Nobel Prize I'll listen to you instead of those that already have. Pollute your kids minds, and think what you want. You make the world a worse place by your presence, I weep for the world because of people like you. Really, this is your version of Christianity? I'm sure your god is proud of you... Best of luck with it.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 04:31 PM
Who ever said I was a Christian sir!? I certainly did not! Your absolute fear of that which you do not and can not understand blinds your spirit from taking the necessary steps into acheiving a better understanding of existence. It is you and people like you sir that have impeded societal devolpment thru out history, and I'm sure would of claimed chemistry to be sorcery back in the 15th century! You actually said it best in a previous comment... Just because you cannot see or understand it does not make it less REAL and Definitley does not deny its existence. Without proof Einstein would have been regarded as a fool, and in the same sense if we stopped him from trying to produce proof because we thought it was silly or fraudulent where would our society be. You my friend are the worst of the worst of us.
Tess August 31, 2012 at 04:44 PM
I have a problem with people telling me I am an atheist if I do not believe in Creationism. I have no problem with believing in evolution. I have no problem in believing we were created by God and put on the evolution pathway. With the Creator, in my heart, I feel all things are possible and some beyond our scope. I have no problem in thinking that the Creator did not define a day by our own limited "24 hour" point of view. Yes, I do feel a number of passages in the Bible are meant to be allegorical, not literal. Peace.
Phil Ramsay August 31, 2012 at 05:02 PM
OK - my mistake regarding my assuption re. your faith. I'll agree too that there are plenty of things that require proof. Also true that there are plenty of things that are impossible to prove or know. Fine - live and let live. Really, best wishes for you (sincerely).
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Also 2 Tess, "I have a problem with people telling me I am an atheist if I do not believe in Creationism." Do not be tricked into the idea that creationism has anything to do with Jesus or Christanity period! True creationism began over 4,000 thousand years ago, it's the idea that a Being uncomprehendible to you and I but there non the less, has "CREATED" everything in the comprehendible Universe, or in some beliefs is the Universe. "I have no problem in believing we were created by God and put on the evolution pathway. With the Creator, in my heart, I feel all things are possible and some beyond our scope." Do not let those afraid of the REAL TRUTH (which I don't claim to have any idea about, & belive personally that no one does), but don't let them stop you from seeking it, that's what's been impeding our devolpment as a species since the dawn of man. We are all built from the EXACT SAME MATERIALS, unarguable, even in science. The differences lie in the spirit that imbodies us. Your spirit seems open for growth, society needs you, and I thank you.
J.L. Capps August 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Mr Phil, Amen, or awesome or whatever! Lol words are just words and cannot hurt any one, we need to keep wondering if we are dreaming when we are wake or while we are asleep. In REALITY again LOVE is the only real good we know, we should focus A LOT more ENERGY on that, than on stopping the idea of a thorough education, just because we disagree. Much Loveto you Big Phil! Truly, JL

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