The Vice Presidential Debate

Killer Joe meets Raging Ryan at the Vice Presidential Debate.

The fight scene between Killer Joe and Raging Ryan has played itself out in
my brain for the past several days.

Joe, pointing his index finger at the object of his scorn.  Ryan, a
quizzical expression, the bubble above his head
asking 'WHAT'?  The wolf whistles and cat calls coming from Ryan's groupies
in the back row disrupting the debate, "Ripple your abs Ryan -- take off your shirt -- show us your muscles!"

The Bluegrass Countdown from Danville, Kentucky is the only Vice
Presidential debate scheduled
in this campaign cycle.  It pits long-time favorite (ex-Senator) Vice
President Joe Biden against upstart Congressman
Paul Ryan.

Dear Joe, We have been with you every step of your long, proud career.  We
were with you in terrible times of crisis as
when your darling wife and baby daughter died in that car crash.  We rooted
for your two young sons during their
recovery from that tragic accident.  We applauded your hair plugs (we even
named them after the flying reindeer...
Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner, and Blitzen).  We
smiled at your image as the sprouts began
to spring upward -- showing us your new hair.  We loved it when you found
happiness with Dr. Jill and married her.
We watched and prayed when you were taken ill and given the last rights. 
We encouraged you when you ran for
President because we've always believed in you.  We've respected your
long and dedicated years of service.
The moderator of this debate is the highly respected Martha Raddatz, senior
foreign affairs correspondent for ABC News.
Many cried, 'FOUL' when it was disclosed that President Obama had been a
guest at the Raddatz wedding when she
married the President's classmate from Harvard Law School.  Nobody in
either campaign camp raised objections to
Raddatz because they know what a rare treasure she is among today's
tarnished media.  If you're going to question
the background and credentials of media you might want to start with the fact that our Ambassador to the United Nations,
Susan Rice, is married to Ian Cameron, producer of ABC's 'This Week With
George Stephanopoulos'.

In any case, the debate had a combative tone.  Both men made strong points
-- Biden scored big on foreign policy while
Ryan's strength came from his criticism of President Obama's
policies citing a 'string of broken promises' and "speeches
instead of leadership."

Vice President Joe Biden hammered away at Romney's open-mike remark about
the '47 percent' to which Ryan remarked,
"Joe, you know that sometimes things come out of your mouth the wrong way". Personally, I would have said that Biden won
the debate but after watching him for 90 minutes being a cranky, old man --
smirking, laughing, mugging, smiling and sneering
during Paul Ryan's answers I thought he was rude and distracting.  He came
off as condescending and disrespectful.  Sorry to
say, I think it's Bedtime for Biden.

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Bob Blanchard October 13, 2012 at 01:03 AM
Ilona, I was on the road and heard the debate rather than watching it and I must tell you that Joe sounded like an unprofessional bully constantly not allowing Ryan to finish his point before interrupting and running on with his share of obfuscations. When I arrived home, I turned on the talking heads and the consensus seemed to be a split decision but they too said Biden was over-bearing and unprofessional. So apparently Irene and I are in concert with most of the pundits. Interesting to note that Charles Krauthammer mentioned that different impressions could be had depending on if you were listening on radio or watching. Radio listeners like me could only imaging the smirks but could hear the giggles. Most dismissed it as vintage Joe.
Irene DeBlasio October 13, 2012 at 01:14 AM
Kudos to Raddatz! Ilona, you know very well that if a Republican had acted as goofy or made as many faces as Joe Biden did, we would have seen banner headlines about his lack of breeding and manners. He would would have veen labeled as a boorish, cantankerous, old buffoon who should be retired and put out of his misery ASAP.
Irene DeBlasio October 13, 2012 at 03:40 AM
Bob B., Many thanks for your thoughtful comments. You are so lucky that you listened to the debate on the radio. It was 90 minutes of torture having to watch Mr. Biden shake his head, smirk, laugh and interrupt Ryan's answers. I am surprised that Martha Raddatz didn't stop the debate and ask him to stop being so disrespectful to all Americans. Our economy and foreign policy are in total disarray. There was nothing to laugh at. It was a disgraceful performance.
Irene DeBlasio October 13, 2012 at 03:45 AM
Vice President Biden completely contradicted himself about Intel. When asked about the assassination of our ambassador and three other brave embassy workers in Benghazi he blamed their deaths and the destruction of our embassy on poor Intel. On the following question about Iran's nuclear position. He claimed they're a long way from capability -- not to worry, we'll know when Iran is ready because we have sharp Intel. Huh?
Ilona Saari October 13, 2012 at 03:12 PM
As a print media pundit, who has also written for cable news opinion pundits, they are skew their remarks to coincide w/ their political leanings. The only tv analysis worth it's salt after the debates imo is on Charlie Rose when journalists (real journalists) discuss the debates... Yes, they have political leanings left and right - but the analysis is done as free of that as is possible for any human being. It's quite fascinating after listening to the skewed views of pundits on cable news.
Ilona Saari October 13, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Most people - me included - agree w/ the pundits who side w/ their own ideas and turn on the pundits who most represent their thinking. Since there are as many conservative leaning newspapers, there were a lot of banner headlines screaming jokes about Biden. ;o) And I'm sure Fox News had a field day. They usually do w/ less. ;o)
Ilona Saari October 13, 2012 at 03:20 PM
PS - are still getting emails notifying you when a comment is made on an article or blog you wrote or commented on? I'm not. Yet I'm still getting email notices that my comments have been posted. I don't always check back in after commenting. Oh well. ::::::::::::shrug
Irene DeBlasio October 13, 2012 at 05:13 PM
Sorry Ilona, I've watched Charlie Rose over many years but seeing him swoon over George Clooney (and several other episodes of biased behavior) I've been disappointed by some of his views. I am entertained by his "interviews" but he's not exactly Scotty Reston. If anybody gets their news from only PBS or the alphabet networks they're not getting the full picture of what's happening in this country. Joe Biden has a long and semi-checkered career and I will forget about the plaigerism (although that speaks volumes about character), but for him to 'guarantee abortions' by President Obama's possible Supreme's nomination in the future, he is pre-judging or prejudiced. I don't always rely on the judgment of pundits. I research quite a bit but we have a media which has become so incestuous that we can't always trust their opinions. Yes, I'm always notified about comments on my blog.
Ilona Saari October 13, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Who said anyone's only getting their "news" from PBS, tho table discussions, even w/ reputable journalists are still just opinion and not news. And when Rose has a panel on and just asks questions, he let's others voice their opinions whether they differ from his or not. I never watch celeb interviews. I watch when he has on writers, print journalists, scientists, etc. I won't go into Biden vs Ryan's background. You're a committed voter to one side and I am to the other so it's a waste of time spinning our tales to each other. You believe what you do and I disagree. And I'll forget about Ryan's marathon lie and others about his personal achievements which were indicative of so much. I've never relied on tv pundits or even print pundits although I read the good ones. David Brooks and Peggy Noonan are quite good on the conservative side and Gail Collins is a favorite of mine on the left because of her wit (have to admit I truly miss Molly Ivins) -- I have to listen to and read all sides (Libertarians, etc., too) before I write my op-ed pieces on a subject or do a political blog - but most of my pieces are satirical and hopefully witty - but I'm very sure of my facts by the time I write anything ...
Ilona Saari October 13, 2012 at 06:08 PM
And I wonder why I have to sign in every time I make a comment. ;o( It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!!!
Irene DeBlasio October 14, 2012 at 04:19 AM
I've noticed so many people checking everything on fact-checkers recently. I only wonder who is doing the fact-checking on the so-called fact-checkers? In the old days you could just say, "I read it in the New York Times!" Which meant it HAD to be accurate information If in fact the New York Times had reported incorrect information, it didn't matter so much. Nowadays it's a scandal.
Irene DeBlasio October 14, 2012 at 04:29 AM
David Brooks and Peggy Noonan? Oy vey, now I understand where you're coming from -- Noonan seams to speak from both sides of her mouth. I truly wonder sometimes if she really knows what she believes in. Brooks, to me, is so BORING! His language is so safe and passionless. I classify both of these journalists as the columnists with 'bum splinters'. They sit on the fence, trying never to offend. Do you also watch the Sunday morning talking heads shows with all the posing and posturing? I'd much rather read Dr. Thomas Sowell or a repeat of any piece by Christopher Hitchens or Tom Wolfe.
Bob Blanchard October 14, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Dear Ilona, While I don't always agree with every point you make, I appreciate the fact that you seem to at least give consideration to other points of view, a rare attribute these days. You said that you do op-ed pieces. If I wanted to read your writing elsewhere, where would I go to see it. Do you work for a cable news or if not who? Thanks for sharing a sometimes different but thoughtful perspective.
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 02:47 PM
I don't love Noonan, but she's articulate, smart and has conservative common sense. Brooks, I think, is a wonderful writer who can be wry and has great wit at times, imo, of course. I also love Hitchens - he makes me laugh. His last book was terrific and sad. PJ Roake I find fun andinteresting as well. I read the NYTimes which still has, for the most part, some of the best op-ed columnists and investigative reporters in the biz. I also read the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and LATimes - even the Weekly Standard and the Nation. I take my time forming my opinions and research each candidates' claims for the truth. A lot is easily found just by listening to an entire remark after a sentence is taken out of context to make it seem as if it meant something else. Other truths take a bit more time.
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 02:55 PM
I wish I could give you links to the papers I still write for Bob, but since a lot of bigger papers I wrote for are no longer hiring freelance guest columnists or have closed, the ones left are small & aren't online yet 'known' in some circles ie: Anderson Valley Advertiser in Booneville, CA - my op-ed pieces used to be right next to leftwing Alexander Cockburn's before he died.
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 03:00 PM
The Anderson Valley Advertiser has a big following in San Francisco. It's owner, Bruce Anderson, is something of a maverick ole newspaperman and a bit of an eccentric. When I drove thru Booneville a couple of yrs ago, I tried to find the paper's office so I could meet him - Couldn't and the townsfolk wouldn't tell me where it was. Other papers still paying me peanuts for my opinion are in other parts of the country. I do do some blogging now and again on various political sites, tho - but there are too many crazies online, so I don't really like to engage in those kinds of columns on the net.
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 03:01 PM
PS - if you google my name, some of my stuff may come up.
Irene DeBlasio October 14, 2012 at 03:02 PM
I believe 'Gray Lady Down' spelled out what is happening to American journalism. I'm getting a much broader perspective from sources other than the mainstream media. If you feel well informed by your favorites, that's great!
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 03:03 PM
PPS - Tho I worked in tv for years, never in news (especially never in cable news <g>) -- My husband, however, was a writer for ABC World News Tonite back in the day when Frank Reynolds was anchor
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 03:09 PM
LOL - I was just giving you the papers I still read since you brought up the NYTimes - I get my info from many different sources.
Irene DeBlasio October 14, 2012 at 04:13 PM
WHAT? You forgot to mention the McPaper -- USA TODAY!
Ilona Saari October 14, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Bob Blanchard October 15, 2012 at 07:33 AM
Thanks Ilona. Didn't you write or help write one of Jimmy Carter's speeches? Is that available on line?
Ilona Saari October 15, 2012 at 03:18 PM
I was a Deputy Press Secretary for Pres. Carter in New York during the Convention in Madison Sq. Garden & the '80 campaign (Jody Powell was my boss). I wrote speeches for celebs on the stump for both Clinton-Gore campaigns, did some press for Gore and Kerry and blogged for the DNC and Obama in '08. None of my speeches are online since they were written specifically for certain celebs on certain topics (Cybill Shepherd, Alfie Woodard were women's issues, Bob Redford, environment, etc. - tho I only met Cybill - too bad for me <g>) - didn't write them for any a candidate. And my press releases for Carter were before the internet - <g>
Ilona Saari October 15, 2012 at 03:22 PM
I was able to easily get involved in the Calif. political scene because I was invited to be a member of the Hollywood Women's Political Committee. I did a press releases and wrote a bunch of speeches for various celebs out politicking for various candidates til the pac disbanded... It was my contribution, since I couldn't raise the big bucks like the big name actresses, producers and directors who were members.
Bob Blanchard October 15, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Illona, Sounds like a wonderful, satisfying experience. It always helps the personal satisfaction level when you know that your talents have helped important people.
Ilona Saari October 15, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Yes, it was - thanks for asking.. I loved working in politics over the years - started out as a volunteer for Sen. Keating back in the day and worked for other GOPers (Lindsay when he was a Repub. and Dem., Lowell Weiker, Rockefeller) as well as Democrats back then.
Irene DeBlasio October 16, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Ilona, I worked on the first John v. Lindsay for Mayor of New York Campaign. He was a Liberal Republican back then. I remember a great victory luncheon at Gracie Mansion. It was there that I met William F. Buckley, who was the guest of honor (he had bowed out of the race). My proudest moment was joining John and Mary on their first bicycle ride through Central Park the first Sunday it was closed to vehicular traffic. John, Mary and Bill Buckley were probably the most elegant, best educated people in the world. Buckley was fluent in three languages, Latin being one. They don't make them like that anymore.
Ilona Saari October 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM
I was there, too... I wonder if we met. Love Buckley's campaign when he said he wanted to rebuild the subway els and that if he won, he'd demand a recount. Loved Lindsay - he hired me again when he ran as a Dem.
Irene DeBlasio October 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM
I sat with Dolly Hirshfeld and was so embarrassed because she brought a gift for the Lindsays and I had not. It was a BIG picture book of Al Hirshfeld's caricatures with his autograph. Mary and I tried to pick out all the 'Ninas' on each page. Sadly, there was no way John could have won a Presidential campaign because he was not well known around the country as was Nelson Rockefeller.


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